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We have added new type of ammo that has some increased damage, critical chance and power. Check it in Cash Shop.
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Chash is not cheating ?!? Maybe but i think it is, here just in a symphatic hidden way.
Why? Let me explain: Try a naked match against a full dressed opponent of same level. You lose for 99%. Try a match against an opponent of same level with some siniter weapons and some hardend armors with 100% more damagereducation. Sure you have a chance to take it but its very small.
Bers realise we have not the ability to abort a game if our team lose 2 units at 3th turn of match like you do. We just can abort if all agree. If some match becomes unfair because some strange happenings (mistakes, scratches at rushing time, disconnections, quits, used arts and ammo.) we mostly must play till end. Why you dont do it? The reason is its not funny for you. For us too.
Yes its expensive for players to use gamble and its expensive to use some special ammo. But exactly this is why i said this game should not be for an casher-elite. With elite i mean player who waste their money in gamble or such kind of ammo.
And most updates are make to balance the game and change the attributes of weapons or perks. Thats fine and i support this but the other side arts and specialammo kill this balance too. So i cant understand some arguments of changes.
And btw i said im a casher too. Gunrox is the game i paid the most money of my life. A buy over 350000 ecash too and a new order is in progress. But if the game turns more and more into a special-item-payment i dont spent money anymore to support this way. And i know some player have this oppinion too. Just look at the past.
You think the game grow extremely? I dont realise a big raise of playing community. Yes new player join all the time but same number of players quit again (some casher too). And some of the new accounts just multi-accounts of the big players to get the possibility to enter matches of lower level in fair way.
You ask for other games? For example battle of wesnoth is one of this. And i know many other. Or games you pay just one time and can play as long as you want. For example company of heros with nice multiplayerpart and low cost to buy this game. And the other side gunrox isn't finish and still in progress we all still playing just a beta-version of Number 0.9. (some of us since more than a year)
Yes Gunrox is very original and one of the best and funniest games i ever play. Thats the reason why i dont like the way this game is going to. It starting to become unfunny to me more and more.
So noto read what i post and always said and your arguments not very stable.
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Or games you pay just one time and can play as long as you want. For example company of heros with nice multiplayerpart and low cost to buy this game. And the other side gunrox isn't finish and still in progress we all still playing just a beta-version of Number 0.9. (some of us since more than a year)
Firstly, one time fee games are not necessarily "cheaper" by any means. If we had this set up, we wouldn't even be playing a game this popular. I believe the devs made the right choice in how to generate their income. The game must be advertised and spread as a free game.
Secondly, Gunrox IS finished. But unlike all the other games out there, they are pushing to improve the game each week. Would you rather the devs stopped improving the game and called it "finished", then turned their focus 100% on driving players to the game or what?
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chicken, just because the game is playable it doesn't mean it's finished...
many weapons are not balanced, and most 120 skill weapons wern't introduced yet.
I'm going to have to say I agree with the new policy with trying to make money from the game, if i want to be objective ☺ it makes perfect sense and those who want to use cash should have that advantage.
knutistgut, there's only a handful of players who are able to consistently improve artifacts on gambling.
those who are willing to spend hundreds or even THOUSANDS of dollars, like a handful of players, should be rewarded with being some kind of "rulers" in the game who are almost "indestrucrtible"
the funny thing is, even then, they will eventually risk on a 1x5 game which they'll lose, and suddonly lose all that thousands of dollars of gambling in 1 game.
if the art isn't personal, you'll eventually lose it. if it's personal, it will break after a few games.
it's anyone's choice to gamble and they have the right to benefit if they're willing to spend so much on it.
but, as a consistent casher, i believe there are a few problems.
first of all, the prices for some items are just too high and i don't see the logic behind it.
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about the new ammo.
it's not possible to consistently use the new ammo without spending crazy amounts of cash. the benefit really isn't that high(extremely low chance it will affect a match) but the price is unbelievable.
1 stack of a little improved ammo should cost as much as a rapid with laser pointer? i think it makes no sense.
the ammo should be just twice as expensive as the normal ammo, which will both make almost all cashers use it, support the game and make it a bigger part of the game than it ever will be with these prices.
2. some items are too overpriced, and for some reason not available.
a huge issue for me, is that when you get to level 40, suddonly you must be a casher to play the game.
power armor, rapid, grinder, vykhlop, 80+ skill meds, all of these things for some reason can't be and won't be as i understand found in boxes in any future map.
i really don't understand why 80/100+ skill weapons are supposed to be a premium feature like the new improved ammo or the slot machine. they should be available in boxes just like all the other weapons in the game, i see it as a discrimination against level 40+ players ☺
so why not just remove all the boxes from the game?
when we were all level 30 we still bought augs and improved militaries...
as i see it either all boxes should be removed or all REGULAR items should be made available.
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So i cant understand some arguments of changes.
I already explained it clearly in my previous post. I have nothing to add, it's all there. Re-read it one more time. And yes, there will more updates like this one in the future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXQg7Oir1Bg
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Just a few replies and then i'm done because i think this is a battle that can't be won. 😲
Battle for Wesnoth: Played for a few days, DOES have 3rd Party advertizing, IS a good game but didn't like it personally. (and I usually LOVE most all turn-based strats) I'm an old school Fallout series, FF Tactics, JA 1&2, Disciples fan. ☺
BforW is fine, thats why I said: "Take a look at other free games and you will usually see:" etc etc. Anyway, lol, if you like BforW, great, go play it!
But like a few of you said, Gunrox has something about it that keeps me coming back. Its well made.
Knut, I read your whole post and it doesn't address the point i was trying to make at all...the money has to come from somewhere. Would you rather have a monthly payment on this game?
Also, you and others talk like arts have ruined the game, but have you played a mega recently? Everyone requests no arts, therefore they are mostly just a novelty. Tourneys don't allow them either, so i don't see their negetive effect on the game.
Ammo: lol, well yes, just like the the outfits, just like the respecs, just like other features, its expensive. For this very reason, its effect on the game will be minor. AND it can be looted, which does create some fun for trading for it when you loot someone in a mega. (cause we all know that it will take more then some expensive ammo to win a mega)
I agree with much of what you said Sanyo, I would just add that if you have been playing this game till level 40...and NOT bought any cash?...then don't you think you have got your moneys worth? lol...pun intended. I dont see why lvl 40+ shouldn't cator to people who buy cash, because by then, you have been playing a LONG time, and this game deserves to be paid back for all its given you. The fact is, you still aren't restricted from any map if you don't buy cash, so yes, this is a fully-free-to-play game. Just find a few rich friends. You need 40+ equipment? Send me a tell. ☺
To clarify, Gunrox is not in Beta any more people. World of Warcraft still makes balancing changes even now, more levels are added, more abilities, weapons, and skills...and i would have to say that game is fully complete. lol! huahuahua! kkkkk! Jajajaja! (no need to thank me for the translation)
I'm done here Berserker. Good luck with this one. ☺ Sry to ruffle feathers.
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chicken, just because the game is playable it doesn't mean it's finished...
many weapons are not balanced, and most 120 skill weapons wern't introduced yet.
Well I am not going to argue on balance or not balance, except that this game will never be "balanced" for everyone, just like any other game - It's as balanced as it gets.
Also, it is the OPINION of the players that we should even have skill 100 or skill 120 weapons. The game was technically just fine without those weapons. The fact of the matter is, that we didn't even need to add those guns.
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You have enkord cash have +1 vantage in batle?
we dont have enkord encounter ammo in quarter?😕
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Well I am not going to argue on balance or not balance, except that this game will never be "balanced" for everyone, just like any other game - It's as balanced as it gets.
Also, it is the OPINION of the players that we should even have skill 100 or skill 120 weapons. The game was technically just fine without those weapons. The fact of the matter is, that we didn't even need to add those guns.
wow you surprise me. you can do better than that!
it has nothing to do with players opinions. it's only because until recently there were only 1-2 40+ players, and even until now there's only 1 level 50 player.
of course a level 10 guy will do great without a skill 100 weapon!
notorious, you have some very good points, and i agree that you made an argument in favour of not introducing high level items in boxes.
but, what about the fun of finding a vykhlop art?
that is something which will never happen.
and if you tell me that you enjoy farming artificially an imroved power armor from shop, than farming a solid imp power armor in a box, then i guess we'll always be in a disagreement ☺
it's a fact that farming arts doesn't really work. you can farm very successfully, but a good art.
the chance for ANY art is 15% per map. but what is the chance for a light blue+ art which is actually worth something?
before slot machine was introduced, the answer layed before us. you saw a good art extremely rarely, and almost never was it brought into battle of fear of losing it.
if high level items won't be in boxes, i think it's a good idea to add the chance of high level ARTS only to appear in boxes! make it a slim to none chance, but once a month 1 player out of 500 will win a huge jackpot ☺ that could be nice.
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Knut ...the money has to come from somewhere. Would you rather have a monthly payment on this game?
Maybe. Some month I pay more for reskilling and buying items as a monthly payment of WOW 😉 If i take the money i spend for gunrox at last year i can play around 2 years at WOW. And i hope i dont must WOW compare with gunrox 😉 Thats another level of game, crew and development.
All together i know the game must be financed. And i wish the developers maximal success but a criticise this way of financing.
Hmm Sany you talk about playing level40+ what is with playing of level 20-30? With items of memo or junk you dont use the best weapons, armors and medi too. Its the same like level40 playing at icetal. And at end the effect is without cash you are weaker as cash equipped units. But its ok and we tolerate this.
If you have more money you not just use your weapons. No you buy expensive upgrades like silencer/launcher to raise damage. After that you make endless trys for upgrading some arts as long as you like it for your built. Now you can buy special ammo wich give you power of 3 perks. And its not the end like bers said.
The effect: Now we have 2 kinds of player. Chasher / Nonchasher
Noncasher hate to play vs chasher. But casher fiance the game. And if you lose noncasher its ok for you.
If we become much more of this changes we become 3 kinds of player:
Rich casher / casher / noncasher.
Rich casher waste all money for best items. Normal casher get worried if he play vs rich casher. And i dont believe the game get so many rich casher who pay more money as a larger number of dissapointed leaving normal casher.
I give you examples for fair ways of earning money in my post. Another idea is try to optimize the game to give the possibility to make the matches faster. So you can play faster and make more matches. Also your chance to find matches will grow. With every match some player lose their items and they must buy new items. This are different ways of thinking but i believe nobody is dissapointed if he can play faster and not wait a quart hour for every move at start of megas.
Bers yes you already explained it. But not clearly.
Many changes and updates was important for balance. For example lower range for mg more dispersion for granades, lower damage at rocketlauncher or or or. You explain this. Im agree and support you.
But other side you bring options to raise it again and then you not talk about balance, then you talk just about financing.
This ammo seems to have just a small influence. But i think 3 perks (or 2perks + some weaponskills) are not small. Its nearly the same like playing against a 2 level higher opponent. Who start a 5vs5 match against a 10-15 level higher team? Most time nobody start mega with more than 2 level differnce. But the level of player you see at start. Arts and powerammo you dont see.
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All together i know the game must be financed. And i wish the developers maximal success but a criticise this way of financing.
Unfortunately you are just a player and know a little about logic behind monetization. Most of players are not like you and they only willing to pay for some clear in-game advantage like bullets or gambling for artifacts. The game was running with Cash Shop for a year and clearly things that it offered was not enough to warrant sufficient average revenue per user, that's why now we are adding more explicit premium features to raise revenue to a proper level.
But yeah, you seem to ignore my posts completely and pick on Notorious, sure, go on, have some fun. I thought you are reasonable but sorry for being mistaken about that.
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Unfortunately you are just a player and know a little about logic behind monetization. Most of players are not like you and they only willing to pay for some clear in-game advantage like bullets or gambling for artifacts. The game was running with Cash Shop for a year and clearly things that it offered was not enough to warrant sufficient average revenue per user, that's why now we are adding more explicit premium features to raise revenue to a proper level.
But yeah, you seem to ignore my posts completely and pick on Notorious, sure, go on, have some fun. I thought you are reasonable but sorry for being mistaken about that.
Sorry you just answer with one sentence and you really never explain why you justify some updates with balance and why you dont drop perks for changes of weapons or perks. Or you just drop after a week when most player resett it. And at other side why you make it possible to spend money for getting overpowered arts, now powerfull ammo and i dont know what will come next. Such changes kills the balance again but now you explain just with getting money not with balance.
Im sure you earn much much money with wasting trials to levelup some arts with gamble but now after some weeks this source of income will petered out a bit. So what come next?
Maybe a eyeglasses with sight of 2+ and cost of 5000 ecash ?!? Maybe the bonus of medals becomes available at cash-shop too? So you can buy for example the both medipacks with 20medi per ap or 100medi per ap. Or a nice metabol-implantat which give you 50 more health and 1 regeneration? You already use this implantat last year?
Also you give no answer why you abort a really fair and balanced match which looks bad for your team just because your team lose 2 units after 3-4 turns. And you really want to talk about my rationality? 🙄
Im also surprised about you know were i am and what i do and work in my past 😉 Maybe i was admin at another game ?!? Maybe i attend a community too. Maybe this community was unwilling to pay for items, maybe our game crash with this way too and maybe thats a reason why nobody of this community play your game for a longer time just because the cashshop (which i tolerate). But it could be i just dreaming about so i hope i wake up as fast as i can 😉
Some last questions. The forum show more than 23.000 registered player. Where are they all? Why quit this player again? Why is the rekord of same player at forum just 152? And this was a year ago? Why just 50-300 player online all the days why i met always the same? Why just casher stay for longer time till the quit too?
Why just your team of mods and admins like noto or chicken are agree with your oppinion and why the real community you always want to talking for are post different meanings or quiet about it and quit the game?
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You should know that I disregarded all the "quotes" you did because you didn't quote them properly. You need to leave the name of the person whom you are quoting in there. Otherwise, its just a bunch of plagiarizing on your end. I realize this isn't English class, but at least credit the people for their words please.
post changed cause some people don't like when i quote a lot 😝
ok teacher, say to me if i did it right, i put ur name, look 😁
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Im also surprised about you know were i am and what i do and work in my past 😉 Maybe i was admin at another game ?!? Maybe i attend a community too.
You are too naive for that to be true. I have noting to say to those who do not wish to hear. Good luck with your future arguments.
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You are too naive for that to be true. I have noting to say to those who do not wish to hear. Good luck with your future arguments.
It seems you conclude from yourself to other. And it seems you want to make your game for a small community of yourself and some of your friends. Means around 20-50 player with different accounts. All other are just stupid. If somebody quit its ok all other will pay more for some nice things in the future.
I understand thats really hard to finance. Sad i mean.
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Knut: I think you need to Google "The Man, the boy, and his donkey". Nuff said.
Ed: Refer to above story - it applies to your comments as well. ☺
You know Berserker, when i first joined the forums...I thought "Wow, Berserker doesn't write much, many of his responses are short and direct". But after spending WAY more time then i should at work thinking and writing in response to some of these players (i won't name names)...I'm finding that a long post vs a short post...doesn't really matter. They are going to think what they think and its impossible to open their eyes to any perspective but thier own. No post would be good enough. So, I now understand where you are coming from. ☺
I'm pushing hard in the US. Just got a reply back from a LARGE game reveiwer who is willing to look at Gunrox and tell me what he thinks. If he likes it, he may feature it in his next article post and website. Referrals are at 541...I think i can double that in 2 months. (and hopefully catch some of these US players as they come off an intense game like WoW because they are bored and look for something more simple to spend money on - thats what happened to me) 😁
I think you have done an excellent job of keeping things free to play. I guess there is always the option of making a map that only allows you to enter naked and has a high amount/diversity of items. You could make it so that no matter if you win or lose, you leave the game naked. This way there is no item farming. We could call it "Begger's End" or "The Clover Slums". jk. Those who have problems with "casher unfairness" can be "kindly" refered to that map. 😝
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I did something wrong when i quote lots of posts? 😝
I am just watching here and i have nothing to say, cause i really don't matter if bers do lots of things for the cashers.
I don't have time to think about posts that are really important.
Bye, i am going to beach again 😁
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I dont think any map or anything can help that. People bitch about everything not because it makes sense, but because they can.
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Referrals are at 541..
wow... with my 362 I have no hope to have 2nd referrer raiting ☹
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I did something wrong when i quote lots of posts?
You should know that I disregarded all the "quotes" you did because you didn't quote them properly. You need to leave the name of the person whom you are quoting in there. Otherwise, its just a bunch of plagiarizing on your end. I realize this isn't English class, but at least credit the people for their words please.
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