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Whining about mines
While at the matter, may I whine about mines now? I was on the wrong end of mines there 😁
I dont think mines are good for the game for these reasons:
1) Weapon type is only viable for regular shoppers: You find so little mines from boxes that the ones that do use them are forced to buy them from shops, and this makes the weapon type not accessible to all, which means unbalanced game.
2) Mines make fights boring: mine user is forced to go backwards and camp, if he hopes that someone will step on them. Only way to counter mines is have higher mines skill to spot them or just camp more in a spot where you can be sure there is no mines.
3) Mines are overpowered: 2 of my units with all tanks perks were killed from full health from stepping in a 3-mine-field. You can deploy 3 mines in one round. No other gun or weapon does 250 damage to almost 50% resist with the ap you have in one round. They also have too big explosion radius in my opinion.
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1) Weapon type is only viable for regular shoppers.
i agree Late
but
you are looking at "the tree"
i've been telling about "the forest" for a long time
the thing we whine about is one of their first aims
anyway, let me whine some more : ))
i am able to use beretta but i use pyhton
i ll be able to use rpg, sig and mg4 when i level up and i..
: (
btw i have 500E from tourney and i ll be able to play a few games with full gear : ) , thanks : ), it will be super (i wont kill umbrellas : )) coz if you shoot them they ll quit to cry to mods)
(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella)
(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quitter)
: )))
Edited 3 hours, 31 minutes later by CoDeRs_KnOw.
Reason: links added, haha.
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3) Mines are overpowered: 2 of my units with all tanks perks were killed from full health from stepping in a 3-mine-field. You can deploy 3 mines in one round. No other gun or weapon does 250 damage to almost 50% resist with the ap you have in one round. They also have too big explosion radius in my opinion.
Only if you approach them properly is it possible to do a triple mine successfully. They are extremely heavy to bring. They are risky to place if you can't get away on the same turn. They are hard to bring to the "best" spots on the field safely. If you reduce the explosion radius at all, you are effectively making "multi" mines impossible. Miners would just place a million mines every 3 cells then or something... (if the explosion radius was only 2 cells)
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Back in the days I also thought mines are overpowered... And then I fought astor. My pack of 3 best mines (5th ones) took less than half of the life bar from him. With all my 9 mines I haven't killed a single unit. And after that I ended up with almost naked unit with no good means to fight. That changed my mind about mines ☺
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AHHHHHHHH! - respec here i come!
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Only if you approach them properly is it possible to do a triple mine successfully. They are extremely heavy to bring. They are risky to place if you can't get away on the same turn. They are hard to bring to the "best" spots on the field safely. If you reduce the explosion radius at all, you are effectively making "multi" mines impossible. Miners would just place a million mines every 3 cells then or something... (if the explosion radius was only 2 cells)
You cant really say mines are risky to set up with the 1ap they take, it's quite the opposite, in fact. If they would take 7-10 ap to set up then it would be more in line with other weapons in that matter. I think the explosive radius mines have is ridicoulsly high, and makes the problem even worse, as the mine field can be rather big which multiplies the chance of enemy walking to it.
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I have cash, that is not the point. The point is I believe the creators of the game want that everyone can compete on relatively even ground.
I understand that there are some builds that are extremely hard to use without pouring in cash (like doctor, grenadier, miner), and that's completely OK. The problems would arise if those builds will be better than less cash-intensive builds, but they aren't. Mines are not as good against heavy-armored tanks with good HP like in my battle vs astor example. There is always a build that counters some specific build. If not, THAT is imbalance and we fix it.
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The problems would arise if those builds will be better than less cash-intensive builds, but they aren't.
I disagree with the bolded txt. Maybe heavy tank beats mines at level 30, but it sure doesnt work at level 20, I just found it out the hard way. Maybe it's the mid level mines that need adjusting.. But I urge you to test it some more times. I agree that it doesnt matter if you cant use all builds without cash, but I'm saying going mine route is something you cant counter with other builds. Exactly the imbalance that is not good for game.
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We will check it out. I guess we need more people to speak up about mines to see other points of view.
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late you'll never give up will you?☺
personally, i think mines was a pretty bad choice for my units but in some cases mines really helped me out, once my unit only had mine or hands and would just have 1 punch on enemy to save my other no-ap red life unit, i picked mine instead (costed 3 ap then) and lucky for me just killed.
however starting with a mine isnt a really famous idea as i have seen, so maybe they are good or maybe they are bad, its all on you opinion.😉
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mines lol
i started an acc to try out bombs and mines as starter weapon... it seems that mins are only good in certain battles with certain conditions and your knowlege of where to put mines... i hate that mines can hit you so thats the only reason im against it😎
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late lol you mean mine man campan thats other not do?what about sniper?what he do?
if some one have rpg then he come near to you and shot or he will have one bionco and spot then shot thats not mean campan?
then we most say rpg strong then decerease it or rpg is bad?
not many players can use mine not for thats so expensive one just for it so risky and hard to use in right place and dont be killed
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There is nothing hard in setting up a mine and then staying 4 paces away from it.
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random mines
Mines are great idea - in general.
And it is right - they are good in certain situations only.
More - you can defend building miner to find mines - you don't have to buy mines.
And even more - it would be great if there was a battle place which wouldn't look like new one - destroyed houses and cars, barbed-wires, dead bodies and... random planted mines or some traps in boxes 🙄
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Where is my thread about mines? couldn't find it☹
I concur though. Watch Jluc tournament videos, that's how he won - brings in 10's of mines, plants them, then camps.
They become less of a 1-kill hit in higher levels though.
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Trapping Boxes
Being able to trap a box, and close it would be awesome, of course, a higher trap skill would still find it.
And mines are just part of war, THEY SUCK, and RULE it just depends on wich side of it your on>>
Set <<>> Set Off
=)*sets mine and moves 9AP*(=
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Yep, mines are some of the "tools" of warfare. Either you use them or you don't. It's like FPS newbies and flashbang grenades - they just hate them because they don't like how they do no damage, yet they hate getting the white-out effect from them when pros use them and regularly pwn them.
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Yep, mines are some of the "tools" of warfare.
You miss the point. Real world mechanics dont matter in a game like this, balance does. In real world the aim of weapons is to be better than others are, while in a game you want them to be balanced so it will be interesting for all.
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Mines were messed up in the previous update and is fixed in this one so check back if they are still as good.
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i dont know that this is already fixed but maybe range of explosion is a little bit to wide ?
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