New Clan System: Ranking - discussion

berserker · 10-31-2009, 06:30 PM

Ok, we are coming close to total and complete redesign of clan system and now it's time to discuss real things and how it will work. Therefore I want to start with discussion of future clan ranking system and all the magic behind it.

Why this important? It's not a secret that current ranking system is very bad and can be abused easily, clan in the top spot is not necessary the best or has most skilled players etc. Therefore there is no rewards or bonuses for being #1.

I want to make a really good ranking calculation that can't be farmed or abused and which will force clans to fight against each other for dominance. If we will have good ranking system we can put great bonuses for top spots in clan rank, like bonus experience, unique outfit, or 50% discount for unit resets in shop

Anyway back to the ranking - I came with idea and we discussed it in Russian forum a bit so now it is more thought out and I want to speak up about it here.

THE CLAN RANKING RULES AND IDEAS

1. Clan battles that counted towards ranking are only 3 vs 3 battles where each side has 3 players of corresponding clan.

2. Each clan battle scores clan ranking points, for example loss gives 1 point and victory gives 3 points. Howerver you can fight vs particular clan only once per week to receive points. This system will forces you to fight as many different clans as possible, removing abuse when 2 clans fight each other to pump ranking (good thing we have enoguh clans to date - 44 and increasing).

3. Giving points for loss as well forces people to play even loosing battle, cause it's better to fight many clans and loose earning points than not fighting anyone.

4. This system forces clans to have players of various levels, cause if clan has players only level 30-40 they cant fight with low level clans and score points.

5. Since battles will be 3 vs 3 it will be easier to start a battle, comparing to 5 vs 5. Overall I think 3 vs 3 battles more fun and has more tactics involved as 5 vs 5 is a very stressful and risky mode when one player doing one wrong step usually makes whole team loose, in 3 vs 3 there are more chance that you wont get killed until your next turn.

6. Clan ranking will be updated once per week and all points will be cleared. Top 3 clans will receing bonus starting points next week, so they will have leverage to stay, it they keep fighting hard (for example 3 points for 1st place, 2 points for 2nd, and 1 point for 3rd).

7. During week each clan member can see details about this week's clan battles, it's participants and scored points, thus you can see if someone from your clan lost a game to some other clan on purpose and take action againts those players.

8. Clan battles with significan difference in player levels will be disabled by the system so it will be harded to loose clan battle on prupose. Starting naked will be disallowed for the very same reason.

9. Top list will be divided in groups by 5 clans, like Group A - clans 1-5, Group B - clans 6-10 and so on. Clan battle between clans of the same group will give 5 times more points. This system will prevent possibility of some clan being ignored by everyone for some reason (being too strong so noone want to play against it, etc). Also this rule will make movement in top list more fun cause you will be fighting from one group to another climbing up and competition for first places will be against best clans, not against some random noobs.

With this system we will officially stick most iteresting tactical battle mode 3 vs 3 (New area will be perfect for 3 vs 3), also it will force people to fight each week intensively to earn as much clan points as possible. Also it will be very interesting for low level players cause they will have a good chance to compete with biggies. Finally it will prevent people to play without arts as this is lately common in high-level mega battles. I am not against battles without arts but at this moment they do not have much us. With this new clan system arts will be vital to be top clan, but you still can play mega battles for fun like you do now.

I am pretty much done describing new clan ranking and I want to hear your thoughts and suggestions (please no stupid whining, only constructive posts, or you will be edited, thanks). Once we will have solid and clear ranking system, other things like clan perks will be a breeze.

onetower · 10-31-2009, 06:46 PM

did clans can see at clan ranking - his and others clan points ?

lil_god · 10-31-2009, 06:52 PM

well, why only in 3x3 battles??
and what if there are multiple clan players in game (not fighting each other clans)
it still counts?

and the perks that we will get from clans, it will be always "in use" in any battles or just on clan battles?

berserker · 10-31-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by onetower

did clans can see at clan ranking - his and others clan points ?

I havent yet decided it. Could be possible to see how far are you from specific competitor.... Or maybe not to make everyone fighting hard being afraid to loose.

paraman · 10-31-2009, 06:58 PM

nice idea bers...when will it be indreduced - working in game...?
but...now we got like 40+ clans...this will a prob especialy if more clans come to game...by prob i mean that there will be way to many clans and one week isnt enough to fight 1 clan in one week we can fight like 2 or even 3...1 week for 40+ clans wont be so good...
couse : BOG vs GROM ( example ) then BOG has to wait 1 week before he can fight another clan...so...40 clans with 2 clans fighting comes to 20 clan fights...in a week...this can be a prob...couse many people will be asking to have more fights and they have a point there i think...
imagine you play a game and then you wana play again but you cant coue there is a one week limit...anyways this is a great thing...but still...one clan with 10 people and max 5 per fight...what would hapent to other 5?wont they wana fight to?

berserker · 10-31-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lil_god

well, why only in 3x3 battles??
and what if there are multiple clan players in game (not fighting each other clans)
it still counts?

and the perks that we will get from clans, it will be always "in use" in any battles or just on clan battles?

3x3... well you can count it as personal decision... i feel it will be the best - faster than 5x5 yet more fun than 1x1.
No matter how many clan players online, only 3 of them can fight in single clan battle.

As for perks - please no perk discussions in this thread, this thread is only about clan ranking. I will create clan perks discussion later after we will finish with this one.

berserker · 10-31-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by paraman

nice idea bers...when will it be indreduced - working in game...?
but...now we got like 40+ clans...this will a prob especialy if more clans come to game...by prob i mean that there will be way to many clans and one week isnt enough to fight 1 clan in one week we can fight like 2 or even 3...1 week for 40+ clans wont be so good...

you dont have to fight ALL other clans. you just need to fight as many different clans as possible.

paraman · 10-31-2009, 07:09 PM

i mean that in one week you CANOT fight as many clans as posible you need like 3 weeks to fight 3 clans...this is to many time i think...anyways...i wana see it in work before i can say more...couse as we all know beter to try something then speak about it without trying it :P

berserker · 10-31-2009, 07:12 PM

Of course you can't but the clan who fights the most and wins a lot will be #1 for next week.

paraman · 10-31-2009, 07:30 PM

bers...how can they " fight the most " if they can only fight once a week?

lil_god · 10-31-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by berserker

No matter how many clan players online, only 3 of them can fight in single clan battle.

you stilll didny say if it must be same clan on the team... cause if it does
from on hand it give much more credit for who in your clan
but from the other hand, it just will be easier to do thos fights when you can mix the team with dif clans members but not against each other

B33_Careful · 10-31-2009, 08:09 PM

why not count any clan war of 2vs2 or bigger? give the lower lvl members a chance to be involved also in clan ranking. this would give incintive to more people starting clans. as it is now clan members lower than 14 hardly ever get to do anything with or for the clan. also why only 1 clan war per week with same clan? this doesnt seem like it would make people want to play more, it seems like it would make people less likely to play at all, incase they loose, everyone else in clan be mad at them, because they cant play that clan again for a week. i dont know, seems like a lot of trouble to me, my dad used to tell me,"keep it simple". also why ranking reset every week, why not monthly or anually. make the clans work hard for thier rank. just my thoughts.

berserker · 10-31-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lil_god

you stilll didny say if it must be same clan on the team... cause if it does
from on hand it give much more credit for who in your clan
but from the other hand, it just will be easier to do thos fights when you can mix the team with dif clans members but not against each other

I thought that says it all:

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1. Clan battles that counted towards ranking are only 3 vs 3 battles where each side has 3 players of corresponding clan.

but maybe my English is not that good. Anyway you can't mix clans. So for example if clan battle is Red Talons vs SWAT, then all 3 players on one side must be Red Talons and all 3 players on the other side must be SWAT.
This is what is true clan war in my opinion. Adding other clans here will just render void everything I am trying to fight for here, it will be just another 3x3 battle.

berserker · 10-31-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by B33_Careful

why not count any clan war of 2vs2 or bigger? give the lower lvl members a chance to be involved also in clan ranking. this would give incintive to more people starting clans. as it is now clan members lower than 14 hardly ever get to do anything with or for the clan. also why only 1 clan war per week with same clan? this doesnt seem like it would make people want to play more, it seems like it would make people less likely to play at all, incase they loose, everyone else in clan be mad at them, because they cant play that clan again for a week. i dont know, seems like a lot of trouble to me, my dad used to tell me,"keep it simple". also why ranking reset every week, why not monthly or anually. make the clans work hard for thier rank. just my thoughts.

Level doesnt' mean anything it this system, there are no level restrictions whatsoever if you've read it carefully. If you have only low level players in your clan, you can fight low level players from other clans and gain clan points. In fact it will be harder for high level players to be on top of the list, since there are more low level clans to date.

B33_Careful · 10-31-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by berserker

Level doesnt' mean anything it this system, there are no level restrictions whatsoever if you've read it carefully. If you have only low level players in your clan, you can fight low level players from other clans and gain clan points. In fact it will be harder for high level players to be on top of the list, since there are more low level clans to date.

i understand this but how would you expect a lvl 12 player like myself, fight in a clan war against lvl 20-25, one shot im dead, and then have another player on other team has turn next to finish me off. but if it was say 2vs2- lvl 25,12 vs lvl25,12 i stand alot better chance, hence i would be more likely to play in a clan war, plus gives the lvl25 guy a game also.

Maddawg420 · 10-31-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by berserker

I thought that says it all:

but maybe my English is not that good. Anyway you can't mix clans. So for example if clan battle is Red Talons vs SWAT, then all 3 players on one side must be Red Talons and all 3 players on the other side must be SWAT.
This is what is true clan war in my opinion. Adding other clans here will just render void everything I am trying to fight for here, it will be just another 3x3 battle.

Well that is where there is a problem Bers,

For one, if Swat vs Red Talons and only way to get points is to have 3 of the same clan on each side, there will NEVER be a match due to lack of Balance, the lvls mean everything in this game, and as i see we will have most of the Lower Lvl clans in the top spot now, because it is easier for them to find balanced games in 3x3.

Example: Lil_God, Sanyok86, and Pimenta (Talons highest lvls), want to fight Swat, how will there be a game, no one in swat alone can play 3 on same team and be a equal match. You will have to mix clans or allow 3x3, 4x4 AND 5x5, or else it will just ruin the whole balancing system.

But of course you will post here and say im crazy or something, but just watch, within the first month of this new system, these forums are gonna EXPLODE with complaints. But we all know you dont care about complaints.

Maddawg420 · 10-31-2009, 09:23 PM

O and another thing I have a question....

IF lets say Lil, Sany and Pime fought Swat ...... ummm Sao, Banned, and Perna for example, Does that mean that the rest of Talons cannot fight ANY of the other Swat members the rest of week for points???? If that is the case then this will be a disaster.

berserker · 10-31-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddawg420

For one, if Swat vs Red Talons and only way to get points is to have 3 of the same clan on each side, there will NEVER be a match due to lack of Balance, the lvls mean everything in this game, and as i see we will have most of the Lower Lvl clans in the top spot now, because it is easier for them to find balanced games in 3x3.

Each clan has at least 10 players... If you cant find 3 players on each side to do that match then it's your problem, clans that are more open to fighting and less caring about mysterious balance thing will dominate the top spots.

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Originally Posted by Maddawg420

IF lets say Lil, Sany and Pime fought Swat ...... ummm Sao, Banned, and Perna for example, Does that mean that the rest of Talons cannot fight ANY of the other Swat members the rest of week for points???? If that is the case then this will be a disaster.

Yes, rest of the clan wont be able to get any points from that match and I dont see a disaster in here, that was made to force people to fight other clans, not to farm one another.

Eastlake12 · 10-31-2009, 09:54 PM

Why not make it 3x3 and up. so 4x4 and 5x5 would also give clan rank. just nothing below 3x3.

Eastlake12 · 10-31-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by B33_Careful

i understand this but how would you expect a lvl 12 player like myself, fight in a clan war against lvl 20-25, one shot im dead, and then have another player on other team has turn next to finish me off. but if it was say 2vs2- lvl 25,12 vs lvl25,12 i stand alot better chance, hence i would be more likely to play in a clan war, plus gives the lvl25 guy a game also.

who says you have to fight level 20-25 people? fight other clans that have people your level.