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Old 07-30-2012, 08:57 AM   #41
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You are right. I don't think ban only is enough when it comes to fake fame purely because banned players can be replaced and its like nothing happened. There needs to be either point removal or some other type of 'punishment' for clan/s invloved.
Like I said before, I don't want to remove points, cause in that case rival clans will start to join their enemies with alternative accounts to sabotage their points. Fake is a personal crime, other people should not be punished for something they haven't done.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:07 AM   #42
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Like I said before, I don't want to remove points, cause in that case rival clans will start to join their enemies with alternative accounts to sabotage their points. Fake is a personal crime, other people should not be punished for something they haven't done.
Hmmm true. (unless a clan leader co-ordinates everything) But I see your point on both of those.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:12 PM   #43
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So do you think bans are not enough? What do you want me to do? Shoot them?
it is a offer or....?
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:42 PM   #44
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So do you think bans are not enough? What do you want me to do? Shoot them?



You are talking like Toxicity never received bans for fake fame.
Yes, shoot them is a good option
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:34 PM   #45
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Like I said before, I don't want to remove points, cause in that case rival clans will start to join their enemies with alternative accounts to sabotage their points. Fake is a personal crime, other people should not be punished for something they haven't done.
U can remove the points of the fame...
Like: clan a x clan b - they both are banneds.
So the points of this battle didn't count, to the both clans... OR, the points dont count and they can make a new fame in the week, MAYBE, a fair fame. So they don't go win anything to make fake fake, and they go can't cheat whit others clans...
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:02 PM   #46
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Like I said before, I don't want to remove points, cause in that case rival clans will start to join their enemies with alternative accounts to sabotage their points. Fake is a personal crime, other people should not be punished for something they haven't done.
Can blocks games? If 2 clan was banned for fake fame you can do something for these clans no play again per 3 weeks a fame game maybe?
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We are going to add one strict rule for those people who have different accounts in different clans:

If you have two accounts in two clans, you cannot participate with one account in Fame battle against other clan, otherwise it will be automatically considered fake fame and you can be banned without further investigation.


That means you no longer can pretend the fame battle was 'friendly', etc.
Stick to one clan or don't play fames between clans in which you have your accounts
A few players have already been banned for breaking this new rule of Fame games.

Is this rule for all players in Gunrox? Because this week Outlaws and C2A played fame and broke this rule. No punishment was given.
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:29 PM   #48
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A few players have already been banned for breaking this new rule of Fame games.

Is this rule for all players in Gunrox? Because this week Outlaws and C2A played fame and broke this rule. No punishment was given.
I think the rule is, if 2 accounts of same player the same fame. (no need same ip)
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Old 08-13-2012, 05:56 PM   #49
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A few players have already been banned for breaking this new rule of Fame games.

Is this rule for all players in Gunrox? Because this week Outlaws and C2A played fame and broke this rule. No punishment was given.
I would appreciate if you won't act like a moderator.
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I would appreciate if you won't act like a moderator.
Bit harsh bers, I'm going to have side against you on this one. I completely understand Cupcakes stance and actions, like it or not the whole situation is becoming a bit of a joke. Enough so that we feel we HAVE to say these things to start fixing it.

Then you say, don't act like a moderator... well, maybe if the moderators started acting like moderators the players wouldn't need to try to be....

Approaching that stage where your refusal to be fair and just makes me want to leave again... i'm not gonna keep paying $???+/month to be blatantly cheated against and made this mad constantly.

Fix fake fames or the penalties for partaking; simple..There's my rant complete.
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Fake fames are fixed, last week featured way less fakes than the week before, but I am sick of some people telling me what to do and how to moderate.

Players don't have the whole picture, so they should not think they can make adequate decisions. They can give hints about some possible abuses, but they should not insist on punishing someone, this is out of their competence.

The fact that you spend cash and support the game is highly appreciated, however this does not give you any edge - you cannot threat me with your departure from the game, I don't buy that.

My goal is to make this game better for everyone, not some selected few players, even if they are top cashers. If you don't understand that overall game atmosphere is way more important than any single player (you), then we have a problem.
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Fake fames are fixed, last week featured way less fakes than the week before, but I am sick of some people telling me what to do and how to moderate.

Players don't have the whole picture, so they should not think they can make adequate decisions. They can give hints about some possible abuses, but they should not insist on punishing someone, this is out of their competence.

The fact that you spend cash and support the game is highly appreciated, however this does not give you any edge - you cannot threat me with your departure from the game, I don't buy that.

My goal is to make this game better for everyone, not some selected few players, even if they are top cashers. If you don't understand that overall game atmosphere is way more important than any single player (you), then we have a problem.
1. Fake fames most certainly are NOT fixed.

2. It's not necessarily a threat, I'm simply giving you fair warning so that you can't say "dam i coulda done something different there" You may not buy it; but last time, I left the day I said I would and I didn't return for almost 2 years. You should know by now, I don't talk for the hell of it, I only say something if i mean it.

3. I speak not only on behalf of myself but a large group of active cash players. If you don't understand that the core cashers are the backbone of this game then you are certainly not as smart as I thought you were. Nothing i have said has been purely for myself, but in fact is in favour of the entire community except those breaking the rules.

4. You say no preferential treatment for any individual, yet this is what we are talking about right here... preferential treatment for puffy + ranger. you are breaking your own rules by not imposing a ban. I am certainly not the incompetent one.

5. Yes, I believe we have a problem.

Please take some time to think about the situation before you simply crack the sh**s and silence or ban me. Ive done nothing wrong except voice my opinion.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:15 AM   #54
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1. Fake fames most certainly are NOT fixed.
Probably you have access to better data than me. Sure, you know who played with whom for each fame, how they were equipped and what was the outcome of the game. And ofcouse you can watch all those games live as they are being played. (That was sarcasm, in case someone would not understand).
The fact that Toxicity wasnt been able to beat C2A after last news and changes, does not mean they are bigger fakers than you.

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2. It's not necessarily a threat, I'm simply giving you fair warning so that you can't say "dam i coulda done something different there" You may not buy it; but last time, I left the day I said I would and I didn't return for almost 2 years. You should know by now, I don't talk for the hell of it, I only say something if i mean it.
You can call it a "fair warning" but it doesn't change anything. If you think you can express your protest by leaving the game - you can do that anytime, it's your right and noone will ever take it from you. Abiens abi!

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3. I speak not only on behalf of myself but a large group of active cash players. If you don't understand that the core cashers are the backbone of this game then you are certainly not as smart as I thought you were. Nothing i have said has been purely for myself, but in fact is in favour of the entire community except those breaking the rules.
I know whom you represent but this does not change anything. Toxicity constantly failing to reach #1 spot in hall of fame, but instead of working harder, you blame C2A in fakes and blame administration in being dishonest and preferential. Not a smart move, even if backed up by a "large group of active cash players"

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4. You say no preferential treatment for any individual, yet this is what we are talking about right here... preferential treatment for puffy + ranger. you are breaking your own rules by not imposing a ban. I am certainly not the incompetent one.
You are reading not careful enogh. That warning in the news said, that if you play as such, you CAN be banned, not you WILL be banned. You are pushing your own (or probably CupCake's) wishes here. Toxicity players got no less such "preferential treatment" than others.

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5. Yes, I believe we have a problem.

Please take some time to think about the situation before you simply crack the sh**s and silence or ban me. Ive done nothing wrong except voice my opinion.
Noone is prohibiting you to express your opinion, but don't expect your opinion will result in some immediate action.

P.S. On a side note this whole issue brought up some thougts. I think we, the moderators, have been too kind towards Toxicity "large group of active cash players" and often punished them less than they deserved and often just warned them, when we could ban them. Considering that Toxicity "large group of active cash players" demand justice so much, we will watch them more closely to make sure they will get what they deserve.
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Probably you have access to better data than me. Sure, you know who played with whom for each fame, how they were equipped and what was the outcome of the game. And ofcouse you can watch all those games live as they are being played. (That was sarcasm, in case someone would not understand).
The fact that Toxicity wasnt been able to beat C2A after last news and changes, does not mean they are bigger fakers than you.



You can call it a "fair warning" but it doesn't change anything. If you think you can express your protest by leaving the game - you can do that anytime, it's your right and noone will ever take it from you. Abiens abi!



I know whom you represent but this does not change anything. Toxicity constantly failing to reach #1 spot in hall of fame, but instead of working harder, you blame C2A in fakes and blame administration in being dishonest and preferential. Not a smart move, even if backed up by a "large group of active cash players"



You are reading not careful enogh. That warning in the news said, that if you play as such, you CAN be banned, not you WILL be banned. You are pushing your own (or probably CupCake's) wishes here. Toxicity players got no less such "preferential treatment" than others.



Noone is prohibiting you to express your opinion, but don't expect your opinion will result in some immediate action.

P.S. On a side note this whole issue brought up some thougts. I think we, the moderators, have been too kind towards Toxicity "large group of active cash players" and often punished them less than they deserved and often just warned them, when we could ban them. Considering that Toxicity "large group of active cash players" demand justice so much, we will watch them more closely to make sure they will get what they deserve.
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i can also leave a message that yu send to me so people can see you that you blackmail and ''ask'' something you cant ask from someone.


definition of ask by berserker: try to threat the person so he will do what i want
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Berserker what toker is saying is actually correc even thought you don't like it..Even members of gr alliance that are just trying to get perks ATM know that c2a players fake A LOT.Also mods like live or grzesiek haven't plaied gunrox recently so new mods. Should be added...
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Berserker what toker is saying is actually correc even thought you don't like it..Even members of gr alliance that are just trying to get perks ATM know that c2a players fake A LOT.Also mods like live or grzesiek haven't plaied gunrox recently so new mods. Should be added...
Maybe members of gr alliance know that the Earth is flat? How could it be otherwise? We see it with our own eyes.
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