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berserker 09-03-2012 02:02 PM

Big Gun Number One changes
 
http://www.gunrox.com/img/news/biggunnumberone.jpg
Like we've been discussing this on forums, we've introduced some changes to the most controversal weapon of GUNROX - Big Gun Number One.

With this update when you used any clan perk which affects shot together with Big Gun weapon, the weapon becomes overloaded and you have 50% chance of hitting yourself.

We've made it because Big Gun was means to be ultimate one-shot weapon and applying clan perks on top of that ultimate power it just too powerful. Therefore limiting it's usage down to some suicide potential is more reasonable than disabling clan perks for this gun altogether.

This weapon is still very powerful, so those players who have proper skill should not be affected that mush. If you intentionally reset only to experience the imba intentionally - it's your loss, cause extremely imbalanced weapons (like Big Gun was) are fixed in GUNROX of regular basis.

On a side note for those who didn't knew - friend list size is increased from 5 to 10 so let's all be friends :)

Voltron01 09-03-2012 02:06 PM

And when you will start anounce updates before make them, if we was in hard outpost fight and find out that big gun blows:confused:. realy nob

Voltron01 09-03-2012 02:08 PM

And like we've been discussing this on forums, where are our free resets:confused:
Also majoru\ity say this update is stupid, and you still make it

berserker 09-03-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltron01 (Post 88327)
And when you will start anounce updates before make them, if we was in hard outpost fight and find out that big gun blows:confused:. realy nob

Already did:
http://www.gunrox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12683
You should have read the forum more thoroughly instead of spending all the time on insulting others.

the_one 09-03-2012 02:12 PM

ok u want it like this np.
1) make it that arts are normal wite perks cuz if not my arts now are crap vs armors solid.
2) free reset u mast give cuz u change for perk users the unit that is most powerfoul and now its realy unbalnce wupen vs other perks users.
3)why u make game worse not beter? i say this cuz all lvl 50 who cry about this combo can allso do this they just can reset.
4) lower disp maybe for 2
5)so what now? the problem is not the gun its THE STUPED PERKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no one wants perks only noobs and low lvl noobs .
agian and agian i ask my slef why i put mony in this game and i am runing out of ansers

MRS-Puffy 09-03-2012 02:13 PM

waste money for reset

Voltron01 09-03-2012 02:15 PM

This was like voting thread right? And most people, actualy all who use big gun say it is stupid, only saracin say need. Ok for me, i am tired of big gun, i make avenger, soon saracin will cry again is overpowered haha, actualy as any other weapon i use. I am overpowered.

MRS-Puffy 09-03-2012 02:21 PM

now thats fair if you make paltium chance for biggun higher becouse if someone use solid armor then its impossible to kill wiht biggun

berserker 09-03-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltron01 (Post 88335)
This was like voting thread right? And most people, actualy all who use big gun say it is stupid, only saracin say need. Ok for me, i am tired of big gun, i make avenger, soon saracin will cry again is overpowered haha, actualy as any other weapon i use. I am overpowered.

I never make changes because of some individual complains (unless it's a bug ofcourse). I always monitor games and, how people play and what they used.
Big Gun recently become #1 weapon and it's a clear sign of imba.

If we did not fix it, soon everyone will be using it and it will become a game of Big Guns, and you will get the game like before Big Gun was overpowered, only your weapon choice is highly limited now cause everyone is using Big Guns.

the_one 09-03-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserker (Post 88338)
I never make changes because of some individual complains (unless it's a bug ofcourse). I always monitor games and, how people play and what they used.
Big Gun recently become #1 weapon and it's a clear sign of imba.

probelm was said that is bg + perks all who used bg used it wite perks, ther are no others wite bg that use it and no have perks , so now units are usless this is why we want free reset, we not want this unit no more .
funny is that u change perks no change wupen, maybe wupen is no good .
this si stratgy game making unit who shoot one time in a match u need now when to shoot its taking time and some time its like playing 2x3 unitl the right time. allso many players say its unbalnce when u play 2x2 and 3x3 not 1x1.
u need think about this.

Voltron01 09-03-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserker (Post 88338)
If we did not fix it, soon everyone will be using it and it will become a game of Big Guns, and you will get the game like before Big Gun was overpowered, only your weapon choice is highly limited now cause everyone is using Big Guns.

And now you see all who have cash will kick big gun it is just matter of time, who will risk to blow in the middle of game.
Also other qustions arise, what about art big guns, they overloaded too? What about wight of rokets, now you can back them to 50 weght. Without perks big gun makes about 56 damage to shelter who stay 10 ap with spash resistance. Now just is like 1 shot weapon that you can do nothing with it

MRS-Puffy 09-03-2012 02:35 PM

biggun never was imba
only the clanperks was always overpowered

berserker 09-03-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRS-Puffy (Post 88343)
biggun never was imba
only the clanperks was always overpowered

Concentration or Retaliation without Big Gun is not that big of a deal. Sure they are good, but they don't make you instantly win the game.

berserker 09-03-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltron01 (Post 88342)
And now you see all who have cash will kick big gun it is just matter of time, who will risk to blow in the middle of game.
Also other qustions arise, what about art big guns, they overloaded too? What about wight of rokets, now you can back them to 50 weght. Without perks big gun makes about 56 damage to shelter who stay 10 ap with spash resistance. Now just is like 1 shot weapon that you can do nothing with it

We might introduce new changes to Big Gun in the future, but for now it will stay like this.

berserker 09-03-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_one (Post 88341)
probelm was said that is bg + perks all who used bg used it wite perks, ther are no others wite bg that use it and no have perks , so now units are usless this is why we want free reset, we not want this unit no more .

The weapon is still pretty good even without perks. If you reset in only to use the imba Big Gun + Perks, then it's your fault and you can reset out of this build yourself. We don't have practice to give out free resets when we change something because we don't change anything down to unusable level, we fix it to be in line with other weapons and builds.

the_one 09-03-2012 02:45 PM

so make perks and skilles drop not all reset
!

MRS-Puffy 09-03-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserker (Post 88344)
Concentration or Retaliation without Big Gun is not that big of a deal. Sure they are good, but they don't make you instantly win the game.

then i quess you never saw a imp stun wiht retelation perk

CupCake 09-03-2012 02:50 PM

Thanks for new update. I think this puts the big gun into a fair playing field.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Big+Gun...93_3136266.gif

the_one 09-03-2012 03:18 PM

for this u have time bout when i call u to see when we are in mega and lvl 50 come play naked!!!!! and u no come ban him and abort game ha????????

the_one 09-03-2012 03:19 PM

only know how to take mony in this game bout NEVER NEVER to protect mony

Bono_Vox 09-03-2012 03:57 PM

I cant wait to see peoplo blowing thenselfs !:D:D

like this video


ElYeS 09-03-2012 06:59 PM

berserker all ur updates is for high lvls ! big gun / pulsator :confused: .... u need to make updates for lower lvls :( this game start become boring ... it s the some ! nothing change

wolvorine 09-04-2012 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserker (Post 88338)
I never make changes because of some individual complains (unless it's a bug ofcourse). I always monitor games and, how people play and what they used.
Big Gun recently become #1 weapon and it's a clear sign of imba.

If we did not fix it, soon everyone will be using it and it will become a game of Big Guns, and you will get the game like before Big Gun was overpowered, only your weapon choice is highly limited now cause everyone is using Big Guns.

i appreciate ur effort to help gunrox become more fair,
i have one suggestion, and i think its everyone also.
please reduce the price of full reset at least by 50%, u will get even more Enkord cause lots of people will change their build occasionally ( as i am ), we have proverb in Persian which says : "lower benefit = higher benefit".
tnx for reading this.

wolvorine 09-04-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bono_Vox (Post 88360)
I cant wait to see peoplo blowing thenselfs !:D:D

like this video


lol poor guy:(,
i think he was flashed 100%. and dispertion was 6 cells.

SaThaShMal3aNa 09-04-2012 01:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gif9u8esac bad update berserker remove it :G

CupCake 09-04-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaThaShMal3aNa (Post 88411)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gif9u8esac bad update berserker remove it :G

What a great fake 1v1 game. Thanks for showing everyone :)

pata9718 09-04-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CupCake (Post 88412)
What a great fake 1v1 game. Thanks for showing everyone :)

CupCake act like kinda O_O?They just tried to shot with perks.As update make 50% chance to hit yourself...:)

Stinger 09-04-2012 05:22 PM

You should change Spanner too it is too much over-powered in its level standerds it has 22% stun power which with 20% is 18% which is still alot but the stun does not bother me...Its the damage the damage on a naked unit is 70-90 and with armour is 40-70 which compared to neostead is a big advantage by being only 3 ap....At level 25 their are alot of opportunities for high level perks for more Ap or Hp.


But you need atleast 3x Stun resist perk with 20% armour reduction inorder to match its power...its hardly stratchs and has too much damage you cant possibly think of wasting 3 perks just to counter 1 weapon.

pakaroto 09-04-2012 06:11 PM

:P
 
Berserker its a comunist. He always disscuss about updates, just for teasing his costumers, because at the end he always do what he want. About big gun, obviously its a ok gun , the problems are the STUPID perks. Also the problem that stinger points its much more important than this update, or also u should fix hp perks, because after lv 20 they are a toltal waste of perks. also the way that perks are earned are a total fail, as u can see only 3 clans are havving all the points in fames , why??? because their perks...

would you berserker, PLEASE think one nigth without your arrogance, and listen to what the comunity of players ask you. !!

Big_Monster-BR 09-04-2012 06:47 PM

i agree with spanner, its a little overpowered

Young-Money 09-04-2012 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 88417)
You should change Spanner too it is too much over-powered in its level standerds it has 22% stun power which with 20% is 18% which is still alot but the stun does not bother me...Its the damage the damage on a naked unit is 70-90 and with armour is 40-70 which compared to neostead is a big advantage by being only 3 ap....At level 25 their are alot of opportunities for high level perks for more Ap or Hp.


But you need atleast 3x Stun resist perk with 20% armour reduction inorder to match its power...its hardly stratchs and has too much damage you cant possibly think of wasting 3 perks just to counter 1 weapon.

many times spanner give scracthes, and give low dmgs 30 -
And stun no is much, 4 stun resist = 10% stun +/-

puttatos 09-05-2012 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CupCake (Post 88412)
What a great fake 1v1 game. Thanks for showing everyone :)

It doesn't matter. He is under Encord umbrella, he showed pictures confirming playing with 2 acc on same computer without even a comment from administration, so don't expect anything here too...

Stinger 09-05-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young-Money (Post 88425)
many times spanner give scracthes, and give low dmgs 30 -
And stun no is much, 4 stun resist = 10% stun +/-

You expect me too waste 4 perks just to en-counter one weapon at level 26? this is not level 50 we are talking about....It ruins completely ruins neostead berserker seriously need to do something about it -.-

If bers want see it in game then i can post videos at request.

Young-Money 09-05-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 88429)
You expect me too waste 4 perks just to en-counter one weapon at level 26? this is not level 50 we are talking about....It ruins completely ruins neostead berserker seriously need to do something about it -.-

If bers want see it in game then i can post videos at request.

no is any wasted perks.
i got 4x stun resist in my mg4 14ap :)
spanner vs neo whit stun resist, spaner user no got any chance to win :D

MdaHunter 09-05-2012 08:00 PM

B
 
Berserker" big gun its good," "big gun its bad,berserker i no like spaner"
kids stop flood ,thi thread need to close

Stinger 09-05-2012 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MdaHunter (Post 88444)
Berserker" big gun its good," "big gun its bad,berserker i no like spaner"
kids stop flood ,thi thread need to close

Are you mentally challenged?

JustForWaR 09-05-2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young-Money (Post 88435)
no is any wasted perks.
i got 4x stun resist in my mg4 14ap :)
spanner vs neo whit stun resist, spaner user no got any chance to win :D

spanner got no chance to win ? spanner will always beat neo , 2 hits of spanner 10 ~ 12 % stun (if u have resist) u will have 12 ap left and if he disarms u waste 3 ap to shoot once and u can go back 2 , and if u dont have resist u 100% screwed.

Spanner's dmg should be lowered imo

_Explosion_ 09-05-2012 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserker (Post 88326)
On a side note for those who didn't knew - friend list size is increased from 5 to 10 so let's all be friends :)

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9983/friendt.png

Titties 09-06-2012 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustForWaR (Post 88449)
spanner got no chance to win ? spanner will always beat neo , 2 hits of spanner 10 ~ 12 % stun (if u have resist) u will have 12 ap left and if he disarms u waste 3 ap to shoot once and u can go back 2 , and if u dont have resist u 100% screwed.

Spanner's dmg should be lowered imo

And why do you think a melee weapon should not beat shotgun in face-to-face combat? Shotguns have other benefits: can hit multiple enemies with one shot, higher single shot damage, ranged attack (can shoot through windows and penetrable obstacles like bushes or wood), more AP instead of MP with bonus perks etc. Also spanner needs 10 more skill points to use.

Summing all this up, only logical conclusion is that something would be very wrong, if spanner would not beat neo in in 1x1 combat situation.

Young-Money 09-06-2012 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titties (Post 88454)
And why do you think a melee weapon should not beat shotgun in face-to-face combat? Shotguns have other benefits: can hit multiple enemies with one shot, higher single shot damage, ranged attack (can shoot through windows and penetrable obstacles like bushes or wood), more AP instead of MP with bonus perks etc. Also spanner needs 10 more skill points to use.

Summing all this up, only logical conclusion is that something would be very wrong, if spanner would not beat neo in in 1x1 combat situation.

i agree 100% :D


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