Tournament

[darkwish]

All players are divided into branches by level:
10-11
12-13
14-15
16-17
18-19
20-21
22-23
24-25

Tournament will be played in Double-elimination tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-elimination_tournament#Other_tournament_systems) type.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/NSB-doubleelim-draw-2004.png

L - losers, W - winners
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To take part in tournament you will have to give 1 art with attrition >75%. All arts will be got by winners of the tournament. The more players - the more art they will get.

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All players in tournament will have rating:

[Ld/Lo + (1-t/60)]/100
Ld - level defeated
Lo - own level
t - time taken for battle

So for 1 win you will have near 0,01(3).

Do you like the idea? :)

[Late]

All battles should be watched by moderators.


Doesn't sound good to me, that moderators would be required to watch all battles from start to finish. Of course they can and should watch them randomly as they are doing now but this amount of work hours would be ridiculous.


Only player who has 1 position in group will continue:


I guess you mean "first" and not "one"? Because everyone will have some position I guess :D



Winner A-B vs Winner C-D - 1 place


In this fight the players would have big level difference, so not really an interesting fight. And very unfair to the player with lower level.


To take part in tournament you will have to give 1 art with attrition >75%. All arts will be got by winners of the tournament. The more players - the more art they will get.


It would be better if everyone should pay a set amount of encord cash to join and 50% of it would go to prizes and 50% to mods as a pay for their troubles of arranging the tournament.

[CoDeRs_KnOw]

super ;)

i think there mustnt be payment etc.
everybody should be able to join that


It would be better if everyone should pay a set amount of encord cash to join and 50% of it would go to prizes and 50% to mods as a pay for their troubles of arranging the tournament.

[darkwish]

Doesn't sound good to me, that moderators would be required to watch all battles from start to finish. Of course they can and should watch them randomly as they are doing now but this amount of work hours would be ridiculous.


for example, after battle all players said that they won. what should we do? :)


I guess you mean "first" and not "one"? Because everyone will have some position I guess :D

Yes. 1 = 1st :)


In this fight the players would have big level difference, so not really an interesting fight. And very unfair to the player with lower level.

Level difference? Groups A,B,C,D have the same level:
10-11 => A,B,C,D
12-13 => A,B,C,D
14-15 => A,B,C,D
16-17 => A,B,C,D
18-19 => A,B,C,D
20-21 => A,B,C,D
22-23 => A,B,C,D
24-25 => A,B,C,D

If there will be a lot of players, branches will include only 1 level.


It would be better if everyone should pay a set amount of encord cash to join and 50% of it would go to prizes and 50% to mods as a pay for their troubles of arranging the tournament.
No, tournament will be free. There are a lot of players who dont use Ecash

[Dewdundency]

artfact eh? - well count me out - i don't have any - maybe I will find one soon i hope - but I don't do boxes :( - and nobody uses their artifacts against me

[darkwish]

artfact eh? - well count me out - i don't have any - maybe I will find one soon i hope - but I don't do boxes :( - and nobody uses their artifacts against me
you can use trading to get art

[berserker]

I think we should put it as simple as possible:

a) There should be three level groups which will cover majority of players: 10-14, 15-19, 20-25.

b) simple entry fee item like -
1 artifact item of rank 2+
OR
1 any artifact item at least lightblue (to remove junk like cleaving makarov)
OR
2 regular rank 4-5 items

c) no specials restriction - you can play naked or equipped, whatever you see fit. (except maybe artifacts - no artifacts in tournament battles as some of them are too powerful)

d) no Enkord Cash fee required so everyone can join and we have wide range of participants.

[orestes]

this idea suck couse my main account is above 25 and other one below 10 lvl ;D

[Xx_SAS_xX]

sounds great: how do we apply for it
but 5 levels is a big difference 20-25 10 -14

[berserker]

We are just study opinions to see if it is a good idea, so no signup yet. I've added a poll to this thread so please vote.

[luke1976]

How about a smaller side tournament 4 clan teams
maybe 3v3 with a max lev of 60 combined

[berserker]

We need to start with something fast and simple so no team battles.

[M3Y3R]

Great now Gunrox rocks tha House,

don´t forget the prizes. Better prizes brings more players i think.

Nice idea i dream of it.

Hope and pray i will play.:D

[onetower]

Some maybe helpfull things from me....

- we need new thread called tournament where one moderator (in this case darkwish, its his thred:) should updates all fights and prepare ended list of contestant.

- in this thread should be also a place for time frames of this fights, many players got different time zones, each fight should be prepared with watching moderator and enemy at same time

btw great idea, we must make it simple as can be

berserker - can we lock one location only for contestants ? or make clone of lost quarter ?


There should be three level groups which will cover majority of players: 10-14, 15-19, 20-25.



in this case my word are following berserker opinion...

[Late]

I think we should put it as simple as possible:

b) simple entry fee item like -
1 artifact item of rank 2+
OR
1 any artifact item at least lightblue (to remove junk like cleaving makarov)
OR
2 regular rank 4-5 items



Well I don't have any arts, and I don't know what a rank 4-5 item is but I dont think I have those either, which means i have to use encord cash to buy one. I don't think its a bad idea as such but those requirements don't sound like "allow all" to me. What I mean is that this entry fee thing needs more thinking in my opinion. Also I guess the "winning in a tournament" situation needs some programming in case you don't have enough storage for your winnings, so you could take them in one by one when you do. Or something like that.

[berserker]

That options will allow most players who want to get into tournament to do that. Even if you neither have artifact not Enkord Cash you can try to trade regular items for some artifact.

[TheOne]

Great Idea.

[KOgear]

i think its a great idea for a tournament (everybody loves tournaments:)) except theres a few things i see:

1)i hate team matches so i hope we can pick if we want team matches or no teams :)

2)how does the matches get sorted? the way i see it everybody is on a different part of the globe meaning there are many different time-zones so while 1 person is in their afternoon time somebody else could be asleep so that really puts me of this tournament for a while:(

3)4-5 ranked items? isnt that a little harsh? this means that if you dont get many arts and nobody trades arts then people are either forced to pay to be in these tournaments or they just dont enter :(

EDIT:i will vote that its great but like i said before i wont want to be signed up till the time-zone thing is sorted

[Tinyx]

Good idea, but its near impossible to pull off, for a few reasons:

1. Gunrox has players from all over the world. if a player from china has to play a player from the US for instance, it would be difficult to find a suitable time, especailly one where Mods can overlook the battle. Now thats 1 example, multiply that by the number of players who want to participate, and you've got yourself a big problem.

2. rules are too complicated. The rules should be simple, knockoff stages where the player who wins (regardless of how much time it took etc..) moves on to next round.

3. too many players. If you want to let everyone participate (nevermind artifacts or not), then alot of people will. ALOT of people.. simply creating the charts of who's fighting who will take weeks.. the games themselves could take more.. there is an option to just let the players who sign up first compete, and close the tournament to X ammount of players. this might anger some people though.

4. rule enforcement. enforcing the rules of the tournament will be damn near impossible. if the rules are that no one can play a tournament match with an artifact, that means a mod will need to check every single match.

5.experiance. What happens when a level 11 player wins a few matches and levels up? does he move to the 12-13 league? do players not get experiance from these matches?

This is a really good idea, but I dont think anyone can pull it off.

[berserker]

3)4-5 ranked items? isnt that a little harsh? this means that if you dont get many arts and nobody trades arts then people are either forced to pay to be in these tournaments or they just dont enter :(

Yes, we need to sort those people who really wants to participate instead of just wasting our time.

[mebeast]

Yes, we need to sort those people who really wants to participate instead of just wasting our time.
I agree but thats just a little harsh...

[Dewdundency]

what he means - is we gotta get it going soon and get the "first tournament" underway so we know how to deal with it after that...

first tourneys are hard cause we don't know what to expect - it would be ideal to make a smaller tourney - frankly im surprised they are trying to organize something so large to start out...

[darkwish]

first tourneys are hard cause we don't know what to expect - it would be ideal to make a smaller tourney - frankly im surprised they are trying to organize something so large to start out...
first tournament will not be so large. at least because of the quantity of players that visit forum. 8 players per group is minimal requirement anyway.

[lora]

great idea, when it starts count me in. but don't forget of a lower levels too.maybe they should have a tournament too

[berserker]

great idea, when it starts count me in. but don't forget of a lower levels too.maybe they should have a tournament too

Reaching level 10 is not that hard and wont take too much time.

[lora]

well, maybe you are right, but some people have to work and have families, so they dont have too much time. any way i think it's a good thing a tournament for lower levels too.

for a fair tournament games i think we should play naked ;)

[KOgear]

so far looks like the majority of people have said "yes" so i guess this tourny is gonna be up a running soon? of course im aware of the global players issue but i think a solution is if people can only fight others in a time-zone within 2hrs of their own (what i mean is that everybody has to sign their country they are from so their time-zones are noted and those already-playing people can sign up next login [unless of course im forgetting that people already had to sign their country when they first made their account, lol :) ]) but anyway thats just my opinion so if somebody comes up with a better idea i guess my solution becomes over-rated :D:D:D

[berserker]

well, maybe you are right, but some people have to work and have families, so they dont have too much time. any way i think it's a good thing a tournament for lower levels too.

If we will lower it down to below level 10 there gonna be infinitely bigger amount of players willing to play so it won't be physically possible to arrange thise tournament at all. We have to remember that our physical resources are limited and we can't make a tournament for 1000 players. If you want to take part in it - play more. I am afraid this is the only solution right now.


for a fair tournament games i think we should play naked ;)

Sorry, but no. A lot of build-ups in this game are practically useless without equipment. For naked tournaments those who have more HP will win as there will be almost no room for tactics.

[berserker]

So far looks like this tournament idea is good and majority of people are interested so I posted official announcement in News section and this thread is now closed.

http://www.gunrox.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6916